Chamberlain: IFAs need confidence to show they merit fees

Chris Salih interviews Succession chief executive Simon Chamberlain who says the consolidator is well ahead of its target but is seeing signs that old ways will continue for some firms despite the RDR

Simon Chamberlain

Chamberlain: ‘Inundated by international interest’’

Succession Advisory Services chief executive Simon Chamberlain says many advisers will swap commission for fees to meet the retail distribution review requirements but continue with the same patterns of behaviour.

He says: “Some firms will still try and flog policies and charge the client commission and dress it up as fee, which is definitely not what the RDR is about. They have done this for 30 years and will continue to do so.

“We have been through this before with commission disclosure. That was meant to be a transparent system to guide the client into a system of independence and was heavily abused by the IFA community.”

Chamberlain says he has formed this view after meeting with 200 firms since the launch of his consolidation vehicle Succession12 months ago.

“Many of those firms still portray old-style behaviour and have similar characteristics. For example, the owner of a business with 10 registered individuals has no influence over the other nine or what they do with their clients. It is 10 separate businesses sharing a brand and the only thing the owner is consolidating is liability.”

Chamberlain says Succession is ahead of its target as it approaches its first anniversary, having recently concluded deals with Westminster Financial Planning, Lynas Vokes Investment and Fiducia Wealth Management. He says 30 firms have now joined Succession, representing £5bn funds under management.

The success will see it close its doors to new member firms by the end of 2010. Chamberlain says: “We originally thought 85 was the target number of firms, with an average of £70m each of assets but the average firm has had closer to £150m, which means we have had to review our targets down to 40 or 50 firms.”

Once closed to new members, Succession will look to grow staff numbers with new advisers. It is setting up a central processing unit to offer admin and paraplanning functions, which it believes many firms are lacking.

Succession has applied for FSA authorisation but is still waiting for this to be granted. Chamberlain says: “I am a big believer that all consolidators should be regulated. The ones that are not applying for regulation need to take a long hard look at themselves and the public should be asking them why. I do not see how any consolidator that is not regulated can honestly say it is not affecting the way the businesses it acquires operate.”

Chamberlain believes the predictions of a mass exodus of firms in the wake of RDR will not materialise. He says: “The worst scenario is that a number of practice principals become unauthorised owners of the business, meaning they will not be giving advice any more. That is probably a good thing.”

Chamberlain considers the IFA industry is too fragmented on representation and believes there should be a unified body to reflect IFA interests.

He says: “You have egos claiming to represent different parts of the advice sector. They all claim to represent the whole industry but none of them do. They represent their own jobs.”

Chamberlain says if Succession’s plans work it will have moved 50 firms with £7bn to a 1 per cent charging structure across the funds and the business will be generating £70m in recurring income from client fees. He says other models indicate the business should be worth at least £500m, which will all be owned by members.

He says: “We are inundated by international interest and have been approached by four multinational institutions in the past few months who have wanted to be involved in this project as investors or owners.

“This business has proven beyond all doubt that IFAs are able to create capital, they just need more confidence to go out there and shout from the treetops that they are professional, have quality and deserve the fees they charge because the service they give is truly independent and well researched, which is what Succession gives its members.

“It is fine to make large amounts of income and capital as long as the client is at the centre of that proposition and has an improved service.”

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Readers' comments (10)

  • Fee building is the reason for all the purported international interest.

    The FSA is too slow, too bandy.

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  • Funny thing is, I'm still flogging policies to my clients.

    Another funny thing...the policies I flog solve the problems they have.

    We must move away from this eltiist mindset that only full holistic planning counts. It doesn't - some clients want and need this, others don't. If I insisted that every client underwent a full MOT then I would be poorer, have no time to sleep and also have far fewer clients.

    Flogging policies is the contemptuous description for Piecing the jig-saw together one piece at a time.

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  • Well said Alan, these pompous people you think the only way is there way should understand that there comments do more harm than good

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  • Well said Alan Lakey

    This elitist arrogance is part of what's wrong with the FSA's approach. Unfortunatley these type of comments only give succour to the FSA who use them to justify all they do.

    They need to know that's not that this model does not meet with with the majority of customers needs. Simon Chamberlain is only looking at the 20 in the 80/20 rule because they control most wealth. That still leaves 80% of customers with a fee model that's too costly for them.

    These are the ones who ahve generally been served well by the commission model. Even on the basis of doing something rather than nothing.

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  • Simon seems to have adopted the mindset of the bigger firms which is that they will only give advice to big hitting clients. Their attitude would seem to be the rest can swing. Where will people with less than £ 200,000 get advice after the big firms have done their segmentation and pulled up the draw-bridge. As Alan says these other clients will still need "flogging policies" if that's how Simon wants to term it, if they are going to have their savings and protection needs met. Surely they can't be left to the mercy of the Banks, is that what the RDR is all about ?

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  • I couldn't agree more...and not with what Simon says! A quick look at his CV will tell you all you need to know about the man. Aptly nicknamed "Bulldog" - wikipedia - "The bulldog is a breed with characteristically thick shoulders and a matching head"

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  • II can see where this man is coming from, because like me I expect he has to fight his way into his office every morning for people queuing for new business.

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  • Simon says that the owner of a business with 10 registered individuals has no influence over the other nine or what they do with their clients. If this is the case, how does he expect to influence the (presumably more than nine) individuals under his umbrella.
    His comment about 'flogging policies' is both surprising and disappointing - especially from a former tied agent of Allied Dunbar and J Rothschild Assurance.

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  • The most surprising comment is that the business is owned wholly by the member firms. That's not the business model I've seen - there is no consolidation at any level except these firms use the Succession platform. The firms can opt-in to any sale at the point of disposal and SC will take 15% of it thank you very much (and 15% of any sale proceeds should they try to do it elsewhere)!

    Leopards and spots.

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  • Interesting to note that most of those who oppose Simon can neither spell nor string a sentence together in English. "Keep floging youre policys"

    Your Luddism brings the IFA profession into disrepute.

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